TDR Interview: Greg Hollingshead
Greg Hollingshead lives in Edmonton,
where he teaches literature and creative writing at the University of
Alberta. Since 2000, he has also been Director of the Writing Programs
at the Banff Centre.
Since 1976, Hollingshead has published
more than fifty stories and essays in literary magazines and anthologies
in Canada and the U.S. His first book, Famous Players (Coach
House), a story collection, appeared in 1982. His second and third
books, White Buick (Oolichan), a story collection, and Spin
Dry (Mosaic), a novel, both appeared in 1992. His fourth book,
The Roaring Girl (Somerville House), a story collection,
won the 1995 Governor General's Award for Fiction.
In 1998, he published his second novel,
The Healer, which was shortlisted for the 1998
Giller Prize and in 1999 won the Rogers Writers' Trust Fiction Prize.
His novel Bedlam was published in August 2004.
His website is http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~gregh/index.htm
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The first question that comes to mind about your new novel BEDLAM, is why
did you choose to write this story at this time?
I'd been wanting to do something gritty and eighteenth- or
nineteenth-century for some time, and I'd also been wanting to do something
using eighteenth-century language, which is not only perfect for longer
narratives but would enable me to tap into a pre-Romantic and pre-Freudian
consciousness, so I'd be free of the back story. As a scholar, my field is
eighteenth-century English literature. I spent five years in the early 70s
reading eighteenth-century poetry and nonfiction prose, and another twenty
years teaching eighteenth-century texts.
When I started work on Bedlam,
which was in early 1999, I'd been feeling out of touch with the eighteenth
century for a while, since after I won the Governor General's for fiction in
1995, I was teaching most creative writing. I just read Swift, Defoe, Fielding,
and Sterne in particular, and I figured that it really wouldn't be much more
work making good eighteenth-century sentences than it always has been making
good twenty-first-century sentences.
To me, BEDLAM seemed a departure from your previous work though someone
remarked to me that your work shared the concerns of Michel Foucault, which
he cited as sexuality, power and mental illness. Without asking you
directly about that comment, I wonder what kind of departures or
similarities you see between BEDLAM and your previous work.
I think the real departure for me was The Healer, where I got myself into an
American-style mode that I hadn't attempted before, in which the humour is
so dark and lowdown that most readers don't pick up on it. Writing Bedlam
felt more like going back to The Roaring Girl, which is to say back to
thinking in scenes and with a kind of epigrammatic wit.
As for the concerns
and the subject matter, they're closer to Spin Dry, where you have issues of
madness and power too, though treated, obviously, in a broadly comic way.
What Foucault says about the eighteenth century is more accurately applied to the
nineteenth. He is talking about the sort of institution that by the end of
Bedlam is replacing the sort of one where the novel is mostly set. My main
guide in these matters, and a man I was writing the book in part for, though
he died before it was done, was Roy Porter, a more hands-on and empirical
scholar of medicine than Foucault ever was.
I noted that on your website you had a comment about the state of the short
story. You won the Governor General's Award for a short story collection. I
wonder what you think about short story collections and the current
publishing climate. It seems fairly evident that story collections aren't
getting a fair shake. Do you agree with that, and do you think anything can
be done to improve the situation?
Short story collections never have and probably never will get a "fair
shake" because they usually don't sell particularly well. The heyday of the
short story was in the glossy magazines. That said, big presses often now
pick up short story collections because it's a way to get hold of a hot new
author (with a two-book contract, the second book specified as a novel)
before she gets tied up the same way with a small press.
The cultural niche
that the short story occupied sixty years ago has been filled by TV and more
lately by the Internet. Only the novel still has a place in the culture that
nothing else remotely threatens.
The short story problem of course is
exacerbated by the fact that the many creative writing seminars around North
America and in Britain are teaching people mainly how to write short
stories, since they're easier to teach. So we have all these good stories
and insufficient markets. Not a situation likely to change soon, if you ask
me. I'd only add that there are some very interesting short story writers on
the Internet these days.
This is the non sequitor question. I started reading Hemingway's ISLAND IN
THE STREAM recently. It's been more than a decade since I've read any
Hemingway, but immediately from the rhythm of the sentences, the subject
matter, etc., I knew I was reading Hemingway. My question is this, it was
once said that Hemingway influenced the English language in the 20th
century more than any other writer. How do you feel his reputation has held
up? Is he as good as, as important as he once seemed to be?
Because certain of Hemingway's concerns and attitudes have become dated, his
reputation has suffered. Nowadays the ideology, if that is the word,
definitely gets in the way with some of his work. But he's an
extraordinarily accomplished writer in many ways, and just going back to his
Collected Stories can teach any young writer a tremendous amount.
I think it
was Carver who mainly received the Hemingway torch, and he remains much more
"accessible" today, but that damaged, traumatized voice has been very much
the voice of literary modernism. With the women it's madness and sexual
abuse, with the men it's war and addiction. Hemingway was a major figure in
that history and a complex writer who crossed the barrier into a mass readership.
He'll be worth reading for a long time yet.
You teach at the University of Alberta and help train writers at the Banff
Centre. Is there such a thing as a "proper literary education"? Such as, a
mix of technique and literary knowledge? What are the kinds of things you
think it is important for writers to know as they are starting their
writing life?
Some academic training in reading literature might still be a good
suggestion for a young writer, though with university English departments
over the last twenty years caught up in a politicized, thematic approach as
opposed to an artistic one, the benefits are possibly more limited than they
once were. I do believe in the value of the writing workshop, at least in
the early stages of a writer's development, and of course in the kind of
one-on-one editorial feedback available at places like the Banff Centre.
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important thing otherwise is to follow your literary interests and pay close
attention to why the works you love are working for you, i.e., to technique.
Otherwise, the important thing to know is that the chances that you will
ever be sufficiently rewarded for this work--other than by the pleasure and
the understanding that come of doing it--are infinitely small. So you'd
better like doing it--or, as for most writers who keep at it, emotionally
you have no choice. If you're doing it just to "be a writer" or to have
published a book or a story, then you're coming at it as a consumer, not an
artist.
Are you working on anything now? What's next for Greg Hollingshead?
I'm thinking vaguely about, and vaguely starting to make notes for, a
contemporary first-person comic novel.
Michael Bryson conducted this interview with Greg
Hollingshead by email in January 2005.
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