Random Samplings:
The Oral Tradition and the Wisdom of the Ancestors
cc. image from (c) '97 "Riven"
..."mud" is the same idea >"..Experiential truth tends to become codified and dead when represented in text." I personally have never had any use for books written by "aliens" from other planets ...We have enough "aliens" on this planet writing books full of "mumbo jumbo" the oral tradition is so codified in a textual base that few can understand it as being entirely different from our own linear mode ...It is very different indeed . Innis -"Bias of Empire" - for one argues that anyone who has been "educated" (indoctrinated - my parenthesis) in a literate culture will have a very difficult time understanding an oral tradition ...
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i was just looking at the aw "conspiracy theory" files and as far as i can make our its the same old ...the bottom line is that we do need to reduce populations but not with neutrino bombs, but with info about herbal natural birth control ...this is the difference aw gets on and we are the underground no one sees us.. stay free ...also we are talking about zero tolerance on soma = sucrose etc. there is allot o mumbo jumbo conspiracy stuff out there by "poor guys" like M.Moore(i call him Mickey Moore as in "The Mouse" 10$M dollars "poor" for distilling the truth and omitting the main question ...what is UN doing in Iraq inspecting illegal weapons made in the us ..why are they not shut down in the us... thankyou for sharing ...the truth is stranger than the sci fi gk ;-)
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i did not read it but i'm sure there is truth in it even if it is in mud ...but there is truth in all forms of propaganda too ...we take the gold and leave the rest ...some texts have more % of truth than others ...but when you compare the quality i.e. of the 12 steps which is 100proof distilate of white magic, with no mumbo jumbo, to others, there is no comparison ... it is hardly worth going through 1000pages of commic book to find one line of truth -like most entertainment media stuff...
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Subject 07/08/02 : info overload MFT_VFU Bcc g7 et al :
...i feel info overload ...my life is not cast in mud, "I Am" free ...but there is a durse of disinformation out there and we do not need to drown in it ... i am happy for you that you have found good things in your readings ...i have also ...the point now for me is to keep it simple as a recovering workaholic and focus on my own agenda ...which is to save the planet from overpopulation ...this requires precise information distribution and not mumbo jumbo ...i am beginning to think it was a mistake for me to include the sacred texts of all the worlds religions as part of the readings ...most of which i have read at one time or another ...most of which do not teach children how not to have children.
An anonymous mentor once told me, if i want to find the wisdom of the ancestors, i need to study all the worlds religions and then i will find what is left to be our own .
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...for me religion is artifice and that is fine as far as it goes ...but it has little to do with spirituality most of the time ...mostly it is about vanity and power ...at the world parliament of religions in '93 a speaker said " i find no fault with the core teachings of all religions of the planet ...the problem is no one is practicing them...' i'm referring to this corruption ...as you say "rules" etc... "compelling" people to do ... i like the expression Bill W. " ...a world where no one is compelled to do anything..." ...the line about " what is left after all the religions ..." although amusing at first was an eye opener for me ...i cannot write this explanation to you ...you will have to experience it yourself ...in terms of the ancestral teachings in the oral tradition ...the beauty is that there is no written dogma ( no mud) when you start to realize that such a thing not only exists but has been so for 40000 years without one tree being pulped ...the scope and power of our ancestral wisdom starts to come into focus ... ...this is not "new age" or "neo" anything, it is the wisdom of the ancients.
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thinking about how grateful "I AM" that i can breath without having to puff puff puff on smoke all the time H.P. reminded me to write you ...don't forget to save the Sunflower dried leaves for tobacco substitute ...you did not get a chance to try them last time ...
http://www.nicotine-anonymous.org/meetings.php
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///// the image of the oral tradition, as being something primitives do "around the fire", is precisely the linear textual disinformation of it, that makes it so hard to grasp, as something not new, or old, or "creative", but in the eternal now for 4000 yrs.
...the tree of life ( naturopathic, holistic - oral tradition) and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ( magic / science - typographical tradition)
... an incident to illustrate this point ..in past future tense ...i am sitting in front of a tree watching the sunset ...on the tree a bike is leaning ...two anonymous speakers appear ...we talk about the tree ... and its roots ( the ancestral wisdom) ...i say that without the tree the bike would not exist...they say that without the bike we would have no idea of a "tree" as a separate idea..
With all due respect to N. Postman, McLuhan, Mumford et al ..it neither is the linear typographic "space/time illusion", nor is it the fragmented "Now This" of modern media...it is the entirely detached and separate - even the term "oral tradition" is a typographic symbol of it ...first and foremost is that it is anarchic -- No Script- No Structure - No Dogma and although it thus may appear to be Schizoid, Nihilistic or Dadaistic, it is in reality the condition of pure mind in unimpeded and undisturbed communication.
We have been "educated" (indoctrinated) to believe that it does not exist...or that it existed prior to "civilization" around the "camp fires" of "savages" and "pagans".
Experientially i can report that it is alive and that it never stopped, even for a heartbeat...dispite sever centuries of imperial propaganda to the contrary.
...we cannot learn it from a book or a T.V.
...it is the anti-thesis of media's frozen commodity of knowledge.
You cannot buy it with your credit card.
You will not find one book or video in print with these concepts.
It is the anti-thesis of the media monopoly.
...there is an old story of the Devil and the Monk again:
The devil and a monk were walking and observed a man finding a urn full of old parchments and the monk asks "What has he found?" ...to which the devil replies "the truth"
...the monk asks "are you not going to intervene" and the devil replies
"no need to - he will soon organize it"
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>"... I don't find the expressions in the external world tyrannical, when they are not forced upon me...."
see: The Brave New World
The Mind/Heart connection in the "oral tradition" is not just a personal thing ...we are all one Mind/Heart...when we get past the veil, we see that all knowledge is interconnected and there is not time/space...that is an illusion created by typography, as is the image of mind as an encyclopedic data archives or some huge memory bank. Another illusion is that there is a past and a future and that we are somehow going some place i.e.: "progress" The Hollywood LaLa Land "American Dream" created by the truly ( anti)dada / schizoid / nihilism of T.V., as Neil Postman points out in:
See VFU foundation course readings:
See Also Re. Nada / Dada Nhilism :
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i'm tired ...
..."agree to disagree" is a typographical concept
...beyond duality and non duality there is no conflict
...in 12 steps we have no room for religious / philosophical tenets and i am glad for that
...i avoid religious and political arguments also for the same reason as i do not believe anything that has been written down.
...if we want to study the unorthodox traditions we will need to leave behind the orthodoxy. I suggest the book "The Brave New World" as it gives us some alternative ideas about "tyrannical" governments that people "vote for"
...my whole life i have been fighting the very "sweet things"
...i am willing to share my experience
...but i cannot fill a cup that is already full
...i am a recovering media addict and i know that the printed word and TV etc. is mud because i have found an alternative in the real world.
I cannot take away another persons drug of choice
..Even if it is a copy of "Harry Potter"
...i cannot even heal myself of conspicuous consumption of media ...i am powerless ...but i am not in denial about my media addiction
...a (hu) man was standing at a crossroads and he heard a voice ...it was his voice from another time ...it was saying "you have been here before but you do not remember"
..that is what the oral tradition is like ...like breathing
"...make no graven images"
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MFT_VFU Bcc et al:
...i have dyslexia and "that" is typed "taht"
... i have been doing the clowns job ..to get people to question
...i wanted to get to the point in our conversation where, "we admit we are powerless over relationships"
i.e. : co-dependence Co-dependence Anonymous :
....much of waht i teach in the foundation course has to to with "seeing things as they are " (vipasana) esp. in terms of Media Addiction and recovering in CODA is a great help in this process. Our entire world view is skewed by our co-dependence.
...when we practice "seeing things as they are" , we soon see, that we are living in a society of addicts i.e.: "The Brave New World", where artificial co-dependency is nurtured by artificial ignorance (advertising) see:
http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/201/300/media_free/v30n03/index.html
and where entertainment is compulsory ...this is the "tyrannical" aspect of the "sweet thing".
...also we are like fish swimming in typographical, analogue and digital waters, hard wired in the technological embryo of the matrix ...so that when we are presented with a term that is "alien" or we have no other choice but to reference our data base ...instead of saying ..."i do not know anything about that at all" i.e.: "the oral tradition" ...all data becomes irrelevent in a condition of info-overlaod.
New Speak is designed to answer all our questions with nomenclature ...we know the labels for all "goods", but the properties of non, our artificial, advertising honed co-dependency, demands that we follow peer pressure ...we do not have to know waht it is, or waht is in it we just have to know that we have to buy it. ...in the oral tradition, language and words are meaningless and properties are what counts ...our ancestors knew the properties of all herbs and what the names where was irrelevant ...
How can this be? We cannot imaging a world in which there is no ledger of commodities ...where a tree is not a thing but a principle with certain properties. The term "Angels" is a good example ...the "angel of water" in the Essene tradition sprouts seeds ... "the angel of the radish" in the radish seed will not make a plum tree...
...we are so confined in our technological chairs that we dare not move lest we feel the fetters ...thus entertainment i.e.: reading "philosophy" is the drug of choice for many...
...we started here, a group also for Survivors of Religious Abuse Anonymous .. when God or typography become a drug
...re. Media Addiction see "Media Anonymous":
There is a ggod reason why the ethical tenet, "MAKE YEH NO GRAVEN IMAGES" will free us from slavery.
....Another illusion is that there is a past and a future and that we are somehow going some place i.e.: "progress"
The Hollywood LaLa Land "American Dream" created by the truly dada / schizoid / nihilism of T.V., as Neil Postman points out in: Amusing Ourselves to Death
...although Postman is using the Mass Media version of what he has heard about the asthetic of "DADAism" and what he has heard about "nihilism", as opposed to any real experiantial awareness of the true techno-protest anti-art practiced under that name:
Re.: My Nadaism v. Dada and Nihilism
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