TDR
Interview: Heather Birrell
Heather Birrell is the author of the
fiction collection I know you are but what am I? published by
Coach House Books (2004). For more information, visit
her online.
Janine Armin conducted this interview
in September 2004.
‘That Kyra,’ said Dad, ‘you’d
think she was King Shit of Turd Island.’
‘Gordon,’ said Mum, unconvincingly, ‘language.’
‘You’re right, I’m sorry. Queen Poop of Turd Island.’ He
kicked me under the table.
‘Dad,’ said my brother, ‘act your age.’
(from I know you are but what am
I?)
As a writer, do you feel a strong sense
of community in Toronto's literary world?
Hmm. Yes and no. I think, as in any
community, it’s important to find like-minded people with whom to
share your anxieties and successes. I had very few connections to the
lit community here when I moved back from Montreal, where I was
completing my MA at Concordia, and my only real Toronto writing buddies
were Susan Kernohan - a fantastic friend and excellent reader/writer I
met at Concordia whose sensibilities are similar to my own - and my
thesis advisor, Catherine Bush. I didn’t go to a lot of readings then;
I was in hermit mode, hunkering down with my stories, trying not to get
too involved with what other people were up to. That has changed since
my book came out of course - it’s necessary (sometimes fun, often
exhausting) to get out there, talk about what you’re doing, and meet
other writerly folk. And that can lead to some fortuitous connections
and reassuring conversations, as well as some awkward moments.
I’ve also forged some inspiring
friendships in communities outside of Canada, at writers’ retreats -
the MacDowell Colony in the US, and Fundacion Valparaiso in Spain.
Sometimes those who aren’t paddling in your own small pond are the
people who teach you the most. Plus, I always get tons done when I’m
away from all of my daily chores and neuroses. I’m going to a
residency in Scotland in November (Hawthornden Castle) to try to finally
wrestle down the novel I’ve been chasing for years. I can’t wait.
How do you feel it compares with that
of Montreal?
Well, I don’t feel like I can speak
with any authority about the Montreal "scene", especially
since I haven’t been back there for quite a long time, and I left
quite suddenly and unexpectedly. I think what my time in Montreal gave
me had less to do with production and craft than starting to believe in
myself as a writer. (Really, I learned my best lessons about craft
through reading authors whose work excites me.) I had to do a bit of
posturing and play-acting - hang out in cafes, pursue anguished love
affairs, discuss three lines of poetry for hours on end, stay up all
night singing the same Tom Waits song (badly) - before I could actually
get down to the real work. Although my parents were always, at root,
supportive of my choices, I’m not sure they ever quite got what
I was doing. They were both working class immigrants who scrambled their
way up to a certain middle class stability. Writing stories seemed a
very impractical thing to them. My dad could never remember exactly what
I was studying. "Creative what?" he’d say. So I
needed that particular Montreal subculture in order to begin taking
myself somewhat seriously.
What do you hope the honest sentiments
in your stories to achieve?
Hard question. I suppose if you’re
referring to them as "honest" that’s half the battle won. I’m
most affected and impressed by a piece of writing when it manages to
articulate something recognizable in a new and resonant and truthful
fashion. Deborah Eisenberg, an American short story writer I admire, is
incredibly skilled at tracking tiny intellectual and sensory shifts in
perception - a technique to which I definitely aspire. I like to feel
comforted and human as I’m being challenged by well-wrought sentences
and surprising structures. (Which is not to say I don’t, at times,
like to read about events or emotions wildly different from my own.)
Annie Dillard talks about "writing your astonishment". That’s
what I like to read - other people’s astonishment at the world, at
themselves - and I guess that’s what I try to convey too.
Which stories were in the Journey Prize
anthology? What do you feel gave the stories such impact?
My first two published stories ("Machaya"
and "The Present Perfect") did make it into the same Journey
Prize Anthology - number 13. That was wonderful for me. It was a real
boon to my confidence. I’m not sure what gave those stories their
impact. I feel like I’ve written more evolved stories since, but I
suspect "Machaya" in particular succeeds because it blends a
child’s point-of-view of some universal themes - sun-seeking
vacations, immigration, family secrets - with the narrator’s more
adult and distanced perspective.
How have magazines and journals helped
you develop as a writer ?
Of the nine stories in my collection,
five were published previously in journals or anthologies, so I felt
like they weren’t being bundled off unawares into the world. But long
before I ever had a story published I would pour over literary journals
both large and small. They represented what seemed like an accessible
stepping stone pre-book publication. And there were some great writers
in there I knew had gone on to make a real literary impact. I can
particularly remember reading stories by Annabel Lyon and feeling first
paralyzingly awestruck and eventually motivated to improve on my own
efforts.
It took quite a while for anyone to
accept what I sent them - although I do recall getting encouraging notes
from both Descant and The New Quarterly - but the sense of
validation that came from seeing my work in print was worth the
agonizing. I think we’re lucky to have as many journals as we do in
Canada. I’ve heard the argument that they’re irrelevant because it’s
always the same seventeen people who read them, but I disagree. There
are so few means of getting your work read when you’re a young writer
that any venue, no matter how limited, is important and ultimately,
well, what it’s all about. If you’re not concerned about reaching
other people with your writing, then you might as well just scribble in
your diary.
Who are some of your dead influences?
Dead Influences: Jane Austen, because
she can pull off a happy ending. Carol Shields, because her books gave
me permission to use a certain compassionate, conversational tone in my
writing. My dad, because he always sang and told bad jokes at the dinner
table. And he forced us to celebrate Robbie Burns day. Um, Shakespeare?
PG Wodehouse.
And the living?
Living Influences: Deborah Eisenberg,
see above. Grace Paley, because she’s really funny and wears her
politics on her sleeve. Lorrie Moore. Haruki Murakami, because I couldn’t/can’t
stop thinking about The Wind Up Bird Chronicles. That book dogs
me like a recurring dream. Ian McEwan, because of his complex,
clear-eyed sense of right and wrong. Faves: The Cement Garden
and Atonement. AS Byatt,
cause she’s not afeard of being all smart in her books. Alice Munro,
because she’s never caved to novel-pressure. AL Kennedy - she’s
Scottish and doesn’t write like Alastair McLeod (not that I don’t
appreciate AM, I just like Kennedy better).
Oh, there are so many more. I’ve
recently fallen in love with poets Robert Hass and Maurya Simon. I like
Canadian poets Bronwen Wallace and Karen Solie too. This feels like
reading an Oscar acceptance speech - I’m sure I forgot someone really
important (which is making me sweat through my pricey dress) and they’re
about to drag me offstage with a giant cane.
Janine Armin
is a Toronto freelance writer. Her work has appeared in Nylon, Village
Voice, Clamor and Bookslut. |