TDR
Interview: Jackson Ellis, editor of Verbicide
Verbicide
is a US-based arts magazine that hails from Vermont. To give you an
idea of what it’s like, think sub-Terrain meets Broken
Pencil meets Matrix (the magazine not the film) meets Punk
Planet. The current issue of Verbicide features
fiction by Jeremy Robert Johnson, Raegan Butcher, Joe Meno, and Rick
Jankowski. Plus in-depth interviews include Chuck D of Public Enemy, Kim
Coletta of Jawbox and owner of DeSoto Records, Simon Brody of
Drowningman, and comic book author Jim Mahfood, creator of 40 Oz.
Comics. Also featured is a hilarious dissertation on the
"Generation of Whore" by Louis Ferrara, a feature on artist
Erin Hewgley, spotlights on author Travis Jeppesen.
TDR conducted this interview in the
Post-Xerox era of technology in late 2005.
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When did you start verbicide?
I started Verbicide in 1999. I made the
first issue by hand (cut and paste) in the summer following my freshman
year of college. It was merely 12 pages, half-sized, with some poetry, a
few photos, a few shorts rants, and some stupid pictures I clipped out
of comics and cereal boxes—it was nothing too impressive. Most of the
writing was done by myself and my friends Christopher Connal and Leanne
O’Connor.
In fall of 2000 I made Verbicide issue
two, another cut and paste job, and on election night of 2000 I met
Douglas Novielli at a Rancid show in Boston. He was a friend of Chris
Connal’s. He happened to run a literary webzine, Terraspatial, and we
decided to join forces. We formed Scissor Press (the media company
"umbrella" under which several projects are published) and in
June of 2001, issue three of Verbicide was printed—the first
professionally printed issue. It was poorly designed, rife with errors,
and was only 48 pages of newsprint, but it was a big step for us. I
worked with Doug as co-editor and co-publisher for a little more than
two years. However, he stepped down from Scissor Press in April of 2003,
and another former partner, Jason Marchi, left Scissor Press in the
spring of 2004.
In August 2002 I met Nathaniel Pollard,
the creator of Abstract Fantasy Comics. He was hired as a graphic artist
at the Connecticut newspaper we both used to work at, and starting in
2003 he began contributing comics and cover designs to every issue. Now
he is the production and art director. He designs every issue
cover-to-cover, plus he contributes a good amount of editorial content
and tons of creative input—and he still does his crazy comics. Nate
and I are partners in this endeavor—our respective talents and
personalities compliment each other’s quite well. Working with someone
else in such an intense capacity can make for a very strained personal
relationship, but I feel lucky to work with him because we’re "on
the same page," so to speak. They say more business partners fail
than marriages, and to any publishers just starting out, that’s
important to keep in mind: if you’re going to put your heart and soul
into such a time- and energy-consuming venture, make sure your overall
vision, work ethic, and temperament is in sync with your work partners.
How many staff did you start out
with and now how many do you have?
It started out as just me, and a couple
friends who contributed writing. Now, I manage the editorial end of
things, but I also handle all the administrative stuff. Simply put, I am
the publisher, editor, intern, and janitor. I sell ads, do the
bookkeeping, work with distributors, read and critique submissions,
communicate with writers, and edit and proofread everything from front
to back. I pick up and sort the mail, catalogue and ship CDs and books
to reviewers, answer email, handle PR inquiries, communicate with the
printers, pay the bills, stuff envelopes, and sort, bundle, bag, and
deliver the bulk mail—and I’m constantly "following up"
with people, making sure things are getting done. I’m always, always
trying to think of ways to improve the magazine, thinking of new people
to feature, and so on. Sometimes I do a little writing.
Nate Pollard gives Verbicide its
"look and feel." Its visual esthetic is his vision. We both
work fulltime outside of Scissor Press, but Nate’s job is more
demanding than mine—and because of that he basically lives like a
graphic arts vampire, doing design throughout the night. Except vampires
sleep during the day, right? I don’t know how he manages it. Nate also
does the web design for scissorpress.com, designs all of our distributor
contracts, fliers, and media kits, and is an idea machine. A lot of the
improvements and additions to our editorial repertoire have been his
initiatives. He also publishes his Abstract Fantasy comic books.
So we are the backbone of the
operation, but there are over 50 people who work in varying roles on
every issue, and each person is essential. I think to be a successful
publisher, you have to realize at some point that even though your
magazine might be your "baby," there are people out there who
are better writers, better journalists, better photographers, better
artists, and better designers than you are—and you need to have
complete confidence in other people’s abilities. Even if the world
hasn’t caught on yet, Verbicide has some of the most talented people
in those respective fields contributing to its pages—I could sit here
and list their names and tell you in detail how talented and wonderful
they are, but it would take me forever to get to everyone, and I’m not
about to try and pick just a few to talk about. I don’t want to omit
anyone. To the readers, pick up the magazine and see for yourself what I’m
talking about.
What is the average circulation? How is
Verbicide distributed?
The per-issue press run has been
approximately 8,000 to 9,500 since issue eight, released in May 2003.
Next issue (issue 16, to be released in March 2006) will have a press
run of approximately 15,000. Maybe more, maybe a little less—we’ll
see, it’s a bit early to know precisely.
You asked about the distribution, so
here it goes—I might lose you, so just do your best to bear with me.
Verbicide is currently distributed to retailers by Ingram
Periodicals, Doormouse, Disticor Direct, Chas Levy, Kent News, Ubiquity
Distribution, Media Solutions, Bernhard DeBoer, and another Canadian
distro whose name I can’t even remember—all those accounts are
managed by Disticor Magazine Distribution, based out of Ontario, Canada.
However, beginning in March, I am finally breaking free from my
three-year term (it’s been more like a sentence) with Ingram and
switching to Source Interlink/IPD, who will be Verbicide’s biggest
domestic independent and chain retailer distributor—and they will also
supply Bookazine, a European distributor. Also starting in March,
RetailVision will supply Transworld chain stores (FYE, Coconuts,
Strawberries, etc.) and other select independent stores with Verbicide.
In addition
to all that, Verbicide is distributed for free by Suburban Home
Distribution, Very Distribution, RevHQ, and Microcosm Books, and by
myself and other folks who leave free copies at drop spots in cities all
over the States. Plus, I distribute directly to Newbury Comics, Tower
Records, and Interpunk.com, and I donate copies to Books To Prisoners in
Seattle.
You can find Verbicide in large stores
such as Chapters, Indigo, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Hastings, and so
forth…but I suggest patronizing independent retailers. I don’t
necessarily agree with the ethics of the large chain stores, but these
days they are essential if you’re a publisher, so I’m going to keep
tight-lipped on that subject. If you can’t find Verbicide at your
local bookstore, record store, or newsstand, suggest to them that they
acquire it through Doormouse or Disticor (Canada) or Source Interlink or
Ubiquity (United States).
What have been some of the highlights
from past issues?
Some of the most memorable interviews
that I’ve personally conducted include Ian MacKaye (who I’ve
interviewed twice, issues five and 13), Henry Rollins (issue six), Greg
Ginn (issue 12), Dave Crider (issue 12), Amy Schroeder (issue 13),
Sander Hicks (issue four), Kim Coletta (issue 15), and Dan Hoerner
(issue seven). The best interview I think we ever did was with author
Tim O’Brien, in issue eight—that was conducted mainly by Doug
Novielli, but also Chris Connal, Helen Novielli, and I were present and
participated.
Interviews that were not conducted by
me but really standout in my mind include Seth Gotro’s interview with
boxer "Irish" Micky Ward (issue eight), Todd Taylor’s
interviews with Tim Kerr and Grier Weeks (issues 13 and 12), Avir Mitra’s
interview with Chuck D (issue 15), and Nate Griffin’s lengthy article
on the band Statistics—a band I wasn’t even familiar with when it
was pitched to me, but it was really intriguing and well-written (issue
nine). There are few interviews over the history of Verbicide that I
look back on and am dissatisfied with.
Some of the best non-interview pieces
have included all of Raegan Butcher’s poetry, and all the fiction by
longtime contributors such as Kris Sevillena, Christopher Staley, and
Jeremy Robert Johnson. But, as Kris Sevillena said to me recently (he
currently lives in Japan but still makes the effort to call me from time
to time), "even the record reviews are literature." The people
who review music (and books, and movies) for Verbicide really
know their stuff. Their knowledge and personalities pour out of them in
every review. They are sincere and interesting.
Also, Michael Twohig has been
contributing artwork and illustrations to Verbicide for nearly three
years now, and Verbicide’s chief photographer Cayte Nobles has been
providing photos since issue seven! It would be unfair to overlook these
two. They’ve been mainstays for so long and it’s an honor to publish
their work, issue after issue.
I’m sure I neglected to mention some
very worthwhile pieces in my answer. But I will reiterate, everything
that has been published in Verbicide was published because it deserved
to be.
Verbicide is now in transition, what
are you hoping to do in terms of expansion, etc?
Some of the ideas we’re tossing
around include a complete top-to-bottom redesign of the magazine to make
it more "visual" and iconic, a revamped logo, a new slogan, a
"news" department or column by writer Mark Huddle, adding
sidebars to the interviews, and increasing the page count by at least
eight to 16 pages. Maybe adding some color pages in mid-2006, though
that is up to advertisers, whether or not they are interested in paying
extra—color ink is expensive. Lisa Rierson just came on board as the
arts editor, which is wonderful. Also, the distribution changes are very
exciting, and I hope that by making Verbicide more marketable (without
compromising our editorial integrity) it takes off!
Magazine culture and independent
artists seem to have such a brilliant relationship, what has it been
like to work with so many great and talented people?
I’m really proud of everything in
Verbicide. And I consider myself lucky to work with the artists and
writers who’ve contributed to Verbicide, because I’ve made a lot of
friends. It’s brought me close to a bunch of great people with great
minds, and to me that is the best part.
Nathaniel G. Moore
conducted this interview. He is the author of Bowl Brawl (Conundrum
Press, 2005). |