live with ( laugh) - our polar opposites, our poisonous polar opposites. BM: Energy which might lead to love or hate. KB: What we call love is actually a form of hate, I think ( laugh) - it seems to me. But I think we are learning in this world and I think we are learning it here in B.C. in the mountains and on the B.C. coast I think we are. This is one of those places where we really are learning something about love in a way that the rest of this world isn't. Something special is happening here; it's one of those places where these new ways of living and thinking about love itself is ... BM: Happening quickly. KB: I think so. We'll have the men and women living together as they always have, but somehow now we are going to know, commonly we will know, men and women will know what to look for and what to be aware of and we'll know something about the nature of addictions BM: That's hopeful Ken. KB: I think it's going to happen. Too hopeful do you think? I think not. What else finally. The new poems will really be working with understanding that. That kind of worldly understanding will be more common in the children in times to come. We will know more not just about love, but we'll become more psychologically in tune once we examine the family and hopefully re build the family. BM: The family is certainly under the microscope now. KB: Good, I would think. I don't have much respect for the Western family that I can think of - not a whole lot of opportunities left are there when we have the addictive obsessive messed up families that we have, poisonous families. And then we have the alternative to that - each of us living alone, each of us having our own apartment which is pretty environmentally and substantially a great drain on this earth - each of us having our own living quarters. BM: No hope in that. ( laugh) KB: So I think we're going to learn something. I think the young will learn in the next few generations. Poetry is a way of making my life substantial somehow or making - it's not a way, it has been the way to do that. It has been the single greatest connection to real family that I have known. It has opened up the world to me made me aware of great people and provided me with a sense of connectedness that nothing else ever has. It was the first thing that did it and it still is there, and so I think I like to write poems for that reason, and I like to read them. We've been reading Stonehouse lately, getting a few laughs out of it - "the king of nothing," he says. All of these things could not be said were it not for poetry. What world this would be, what kind of a world would this be if it wasn't for it, or without it? None of that would be happening, none of that would be said ... The clouds are really coming down tonight aren't they? I can see the spruce trees on the horizon.

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