TDR Interview: John Degen
Some people win games. Some achieve success. But when it comes right down to it, most people don’t. Failure is a guest no one invites, yet it shows up almost everywhere. The gifts it brings are easy to overlook.
John Degen's The Uninvited Guest
(Nightwood, 2006) is a whirlwind ride featuring Romanian hockey superstars growing up in Montreal, Danish prostitutes working in Sweden, Russian mobsters, the perils of parking in Penitanguishene, and how not to die if you want to make it home on time.
Michael Bryson interviewed JD by email in
Oct. 2006.
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Let's start with the obvious: Do the Leafs
have a
chance this year? Actually, just kidding. This would
be the normal Toronto-hockey narrative, but you've
written a novel that weaves in a different direction.
THE UNINVITED GUEST is a "hockey novel" without a lot
of hockey in it. Actually, I think there's more
backgammon in it than hockey. If I had to summarize
the novel, I think I'd say its saying something about
the need for games and the need to approach games (and
life) with a champion's attitude and how hard it is to
do this, given life's many competing absurdities. Is
it something like that?
Yes, The Uninvited Guest is a novel in which
some hockey happens. I'm not sure if that makes it a
hockey novel, and even if so, I'm not sure what a
hockey novel is supposed to do. People play hockey;
people attend hockey games; many people don't know
much about hockey; and a whole bunch of folks in the
world would not recognize the Stanley Cup if you
showed them a photo of it. My book is a little bit
about the people in all those categories.
I was struggling with a way to define the book early
in its life and after much deep thought and red wine I
decided it is a book about tyranny. Specifically, it
is about the tyranny of desire. How what we want most
in life can be so maddenly hard to get, and how our
desire for it can twist and alter our path, even our
character. Many of the figures in my book focus their
desire on one thing, often a thing very difficult to
achieve. For only one of my characters is this thing
the Stanley Cup. For others the one important thing
may be an education for a talented grand-daughter, a
handful of oranges, freedom from totalitarianism, some
small measure of romance, a family, a brief moment of
dignity before death. These are the 'victories' real
people seek, and it is the games we play to get these
victories that I've written about.
And yes, there are more games than hockey to be found
between the covers -- backgammon and chess make
notable appearances. I am one who sees little
qualititive difference between the front section of a
newspaper and the sports section. When are we not
playing some sort of game? I have filled my novel with
images of people strategizing, feigning, dodging,
racing, fighting, playing possum, and making that one
perfect play to make the game-winning goal. I also
wrote a little bit about hockey.
That said, the Stanley Cup makes an appearance on the
cover of the book, and most write-ups have stressed
the hockey angle. I'm a bit glad I don't find the book
shelved in the sports section at Indigo, although
considering the recent sales figures for fiction,
maybe I shouldn't be glad. I'm Canadian, and my first
novel has a bit of hockey in it. I guess I shouldn't
be surprised.
As to the Leafs, since this is September I feel
supremely confident in predicting that the Leafs are
going all the way this year. In fact, someday someone
will write a book about the Leafs called "Eternal
September."
The novel plays on the significance of "The
Cup" a significance the main characters take for
granted -- but the story also takes "The Cup" well
outside of its safe zone; specifically, to Eastern
Europe, and the recently "de-communized" Romania. As
readers, we're led to question the significance of the
silverware as our eyes are opened to non-North
American facts of life. What's your relationship with
Eastern Europe? Why was it important for the story to
go there?
I had a lot of fun writing one specific
section in the book where a minor character questions
the significance of the Stanley Cup trophy. I love
hockey, but when you live in Canada, it's easy to
forget that relatively few people in the world know or
care about our sacred piece of silver. It's just not
that important. Sacrilege, I know.
I lived in London for awhile in my youth, and my
neighbourhood became a sea of blue jerseys whenever
the Chelsea Football Club had a home game, and one
sensed that wearing anything other than blue on
Saturdays was a life-altering decision. Even here in
Toronto, walking in the vicinity of the Air Canada
Centre on hockey night, I don't get anywhere near a
sense of that passion that Britons have for their
sport.
I probably know Eastern Europe better than Western
Europe, despite my having lived out the Cold War on
this side of the curtain. My German relatives lived a
few short kilometers west of the East German border,
and I remember waving at East German border guards in
their towers as a child. Eastern Europe is a very
special, symbolically rich place for me. My uncle grew
up in a village in East Germany, moved just over the
line before the border was closed and then lived out
almost his entire life within shouting distance of
friends he would never see again. The schisms of the
Cold War will show their scars for many years yet, I
think.
I've travelled extensively in Eastern Europe and, more
importantly, I've drank extensively there, listening
to tall tales and life histories. I've romanticized it
in my head, been bored there, been terrified there and
had my naive politics challenged there. It's a place,
many places, that give me perspective, and I hope that
is what it also lends to the novel.
You've published two collections of poetry.
How did they prepare you for writing the novel (if
they did)? Any reflections on the difference between
writing poetry and prose?
I find that an almost impossible question.
All writing is very difficult for me. When I write
poetry, I worry I'm being too focused on narrative.
I've often asked myself -- How is this poem not a very
short story? And then, does it matter? When I write
fiction, I feel I've stopped too soon. Do
photographers who also paint get asked this kind of
question? It seems to me the two forms are different
enough (or should be) that although they may inform
each other's progress in one writer, analyzing them in
this way will bear little fruit. At least I'll get
little fruit out of the analysis. Someday, whena PhD
student is writing a thesis about Canadian hockey
fiction and its relation to the narrative poem, this
question will have a satisfactory answer.
I will continue to write in both forms, I think. And,
to be completely honest, I liked one image from an
early book of my poems so much, that I reused it in
the novel. I'll probably keep doing that as well.
The writing business. In your day job,
you're the Executive Director of the Professional
Writers Association of Canada. What does that
organization do? Sometimes folks like to think of
literature as apart from the world of bills and
paycheques, but of course it isn't. What's your take
on the state of the writing business (the "quality lit
game" as Terry Southern once called it), circa 2006?
Yes, a writer with a day job. Who'd have
thunk it? I also have two children. Lucky for me, I
require absolutely no sleep.
PWAC's misson is to protect the rights and careers of
freelance writers. Our members are all professional
writers for whom all or a portion of their income
comes from selling their words. And now a brief
commercial message -- if you have sold your writing
and plan or hope to do so again, and you live in
Canada, you will make no greater investment in your
career than the purchasing of a PWAC membership (http://www.pwac.ca/join/default.htm).
I technically
can't be a member because I do the admin stuff, but I
can say even this sideways association with PWAC has
had an immense impact on my career. The solitude part
of being a writer is great for putting words onto a
page, but when it's time to build a career, one needs
connections, advisors, friends, compatriots. PWAC is
all of those things, and it does that job extremely
well. We have a dedicated and rapidly growing
membership.
As to the state of the writing business, it depends on
where you are looking. So much is in flux right now,
with the shift from print to digital, with views on
copyright (and laws governing copyright) facing
radical questioning. The Economist recently published
an essay analyzing the dramatic decline in print
newspaper readership and ad sales. PWAC just completed
a survey of writers in Canada that found average
incomes dropping in the last ten years. You hear all
the time that men don't read fiction and that overall
book sales are down, down, down. It can be depressing.
I'm an optimist. I like to look at all the many
members of PWAC who are truly fulfilled in their work
and making a good living at it. Whatever shake-up the
industry might be going through, I don't think
humanity has lost its need for the written word. I'm
certainly not planning to leave the business.
Michael Bryson is a
short story writer and the editor of this website.
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