TDR
Interview: Salvatore Difalco
by Matthew Firth
[January 2008]
Fuck
the cliché – I’ll start with the cover of Salvatore Difalco’s
excellent new book, Black
Rabbit and Other Stories (Anvil Press, 2007). You see, the thing is,
there’s a white rabbit on the cover of the book. Maybe the
designer couldn’t conjure up the image of a black rabbit but I think
there’s more to it than this. And I don’t think I’m reading too
much into the cover because Difalco’s wonderful short fiction is rife with
contrasts and juxtapositions. The white rabbit is a signal to readers.
If that sly-looking bunny could hop off the book jacket and speak, I
think it’d say something like this: "Hey, don’t read these
stories thinking you know what’s what. There’s more going on beneath
the surface than you might think. Pay very close attention to every word
Mr Difalco writes." The rabbit might add, "Motherfucker,"
to keep it in the spirit of Difalco’s lively prose or maybe not, tough
to call. But of course, outside of fairytales and hallucinogenic trips,
rabbits don’t speak, right. So, you’ll have to take it from me
instead when I write this: Black Rabbit and Other Stories by
Salvatore Difalco is an extraordinary collection of variable and
visceral short fiction that surprises with its mix of bluntness,
cerebral insight and vivid imagery. What’s more, Difalco lays it down
line by line with precise, meticulous writing that makes every sentence
sing. His fiction is the perfect marriage of muscle and intelligence.
So, specifically, what do you get in
this book? Well, complex, yet recognizable characters, for one, such as
Charlie the hit-man in "The Fishhouse" who has a nostalgic
spot for anything to do with Christmas; Marty Bush, the youth counsellor
in "Grassy Brook Trail" whose exaggerated sense of right and
wrong turns him from counsellor to brute in a flash; Bert the biker in
"Country Road" who goes ape-shit over an act of littering; and
Rocco Schillaci, the father of several grown boys, who is still
surprised and befuddled by his sons’ actions; and many other
multi-dimensional characters. And it’s not just the characters’
characteristics and actions; the cast of Black Rabbit is
remarkably diverse: thugs, junkies, thieves, yes, but also a maudlin
Maid of the Mist worker; a man mysteriously masquerading as very recent
Italian immigrant; an obese man and his ever-shrinking wife in the
surreal story "The Dog Went Out and Sat in the Snow" and the
borderline psychotic Uncle Toto in the title story, "Black
Rabbit".
Diversity, contrasts, surprises – Black
Rabbit has all this and more. Lazy readers will gravitate to the
violent stories in the collection and mislabel Difalco a one-trick pony.
He can write about menacing rage and violence with convincing power, to
the point where the reader can taste the metallic tinge of blood on
their tongue as they read stories such as "Ham and Eggs" and
"Alicia". But there is more to this book and to Difalco’s
prose. He gives readers humour in "The Skunk", vulnerability
in "Pink" and the blurry line between reality and dreams in
"Miss Alligator". Moving through the book, from story to
story, the reader doesn’t know what to expect. Difalco’s work is not
predictable in any way. He does not settle for the easy route, the soft
path so many Canadian writers choose. Difalco challenges readers,
dragging them into mayhem one minute and then bathing them in compassion
the next. In one story readers are immersed in the goings-on of Italian
immigrants in Hamilton’s north end, the next, it’s all crackhead
youth and their miscreant aspirations. There are twenty-one stories in Black
Rabbit but each packs more pace, energy and depth than you get in
the average novel.
I talked to Difalco about his new book
…
MF: What should readers expect from Black
Rabbit and Other Stories?
SD: Well, I pride myself in not working
from a template, and giving each story its own unique flavour and
measure, so perhaps, as trite as it may sound, a reader should
expect the unexpected. I certainly haven’t succumbed to any demands or
aesthetic agendas of CanLit, so I’m coming from a different
perspective, maybe a freer one. Also, a reader can expect that I’ve
done my homework, literally, that I’ve lived through or intimately
beside many of the experiences I delineate or use as stepping-off points
for the stories.
MF: Who’s your audience? It seems
to me there’s material in Black Rabbit that would appeal to a
wide range of readers.
SD: Frankly, I have no idea who my
audience is, or if I have a big enough readership to call it an
audience. I’d like to think that my stories would appeal to anyone who
likes short stories, the short story form, and to anyone
who enjoys a good, challenging read. I know that readers
react to my stories, at times almost viscerally, and I think that’s a
good thing. So I’m doing something that arouses emotions, good and
bad, something that makes the heart race a little. All good things,
I think. Also, because I write about characters from so many walks
of life, trying in each instance to give them their proper reality and
"voice" as it were, I think my stories would appeal to anyone,
to anyone who enjoys reading stories, understanding of course that there
are many people who do not. I’ve been published in so
many formats, from university journals to underground zines,
that I know I’m reaching a varied readership, if it exists at
all. Sometimes I wonder.
MF: But let’s say, hypothetically,
I guess, that some thug from the north end of Hamilton you knew growing
up picked up the book and read it. What do you think he’d make of it?
SD: I was with my cousins and their
spouses over the holidays, all good fellas and gals from the old north
end, tough as nails, who don’t mince words, and know nothing
about CanLit and so forth. I’d given them all copies when it came
out and they’d read the book, or at least a few of the stories,
and not surprisingly, they loved some, especially ones about
the streets and violence, or ones that had family echoes, but could
only shake their heads at others. More importantly, what I found
hilarious, and a little bit alarming at first, then gratifying, was that
they had given their teenagers the book to read, and they loved it.
MF: I read an interview with
Bukowski once wherein he bragged about his books being widely shared
among inmates and that they refused to let the guards borrow the books.
Similar to the last question: what do you think the kids you worked with
would make of the stories about them? Flattered? Pissed? Not give a
shit? Something else?
SD: Matt, one night I’m at Casino
Niagara playing some Texas Hold Em. This young man with a
sideways ball cap joins the table and after a sec says, "Hey,
Sammy!" Sure enough it’s this one kid, a real troublemaker back
in the day. Anyway, to make a long story short, he made me feel
terrific when he told everyone at the table about what a great
counsellor I had been, how much I had helped him blah blah blah. He
managed to stay out of trouble and is studying to be a
pastry chef or something at Niagara College … So, I had
copies of the book in my car and before I left I went out and got him
one. I ran into him again at the Casino a week later and he had the book
with him and was beside himself. I mean, I got the answer directly.
Young people are likely more open to the language I use, and to themes
about violence, drug abuse, family dysfunction, existential emptiness
and confusion … all that. They have yet to
cultivate false scruples about what they read. If it tickles
them they like it.
MF: You worked as a youth
counsellor. How tough is it to write about these kids? Because you lay
it down as it happens, no sugar-coating.
SD: I don’t write about them anymore.
I saw so much violence, horror, and pure human sadness –
destroyed lives, and lives waiting to be destroyed, and the
futility of trying to save some of those lives – that I had to vent
some of that experience into the fiction or I’d lose my mind. There
were times, when I was working inside, and we were in the middle of an
ugly restraint or bloody fight with these raging fucked-up
heartbreaking kids that I really started to question things … my
sanity, my humanity, theirs. Do Canadians think the stuff of those
stories is made up? If anything, I couldn’t touch
some things – like the kid who beat his mother to death with a
crowbar. For six months I played chess with that kid almost
every shift I worked and got quite inside his head …
You can’t go to places like that without putting your own
soul and sanity at risk. So the fiction was necessary, at the time.
MF: Dreams feature prominently in
this book, often in the midst of blunt reality. Why?
SD: I don’t know, Matt. At times it
seems to me that what we call reality can only be a dream, that it is
only a dream, like the dream of the earth’s or something like
that, or the dream of some demented god. Not to sound too weird about
it, but often things in waking life approach the seamless absurdity and
fluid dislocation of dreams. And then there is the "dream" of
the story itself to consider. A writer putting down a story from the
flotsam and jetsam of his unconsciousness is really, in a sense, trying
to orchestrate a dream that someone else can experience. Maybe the story
itself – or "art" – is an interface for dreams and
reality. I don’t know. As a kid growing up in a dislocated
and ostracized immigrant Sicilian family I sometimes had trouble
differentiating between dreams and reality …
MF: Your stories are clearly set in
specific places, mostly Hamilton, Niagara Falls and Toronto. Why, first
off? And why are you so explicit about location?
SD: I guess I’m being as truthful as
I can to the story itself, by setting it in certain places. I mean I
couldn’t have set my story "Maid of The Mist"
anywhere but Niagara Falls. Very often place and character are
intertwined and interconnected in subtle but profound ways that don’t
travel well. Though one always seeks universals, you have to start
with particulars and work outward. It so happens that my characters are
creatures of their physical, mental, and spiritual environments,
yes, but mainly physical. Also, why not write about the towns and
cities down in the Peninsula? People live there, real people, and they
have their stories, rich, living stories that have yet to be told by
anyone.
MF: How much do you mine your own
past in your fiction?
SD: I mine everything and anything. I’m
entirely and unapologetically promiscuous when it comes to using and
abusing my past or anything else to create a story or make a
story work. I don’t give a fuck what anyone says either. Nothing is
sacred. I fully exercise my freedom of artistic expression. That’s not
to say I consider myself an autobiographical writer. I don’t write
directly from experience. It’s often a case of choosing a lexicon, of
selecting words, from that great pool of words that are markers or
registers for your experience, be it lived, or studied, or
deliberately cultivated. That sounds like such a crock, doesn’t it,
Matt? What I mean is, yeah, I use whatever works, including my past. But
I don’t write directly about it. It’s usually a fusion, collation,
or collage of many things.
MF: Your stories are written from a
clear male perspective. First of all, I applaud this. Not because I’m
a misogynist shit but because I don’t think enough male writers step
up and lay it down "like a man" – which doesn’t always
mean tough-guy fiction, it also means putting humour, vulnerability, as
well as muscle front and centre. First off, is this accurate? Second,
can you comment on the state of male writing in Canada?
SD: Yes, I’m a man, and I’m not
going to pretend to be anything else. Although, let me tell you. During
the nineties I was getting my poems and stories rejected wholesale by
every journal in the country. This was at the height of political
correctness when it was both hazardous and annoying to be a straight
Caucasian male in Canada. So I started sending the same poems and
stories out to the same journals as Margaret Gabriel and Gareth Wiggins
and just about every one got accepted and published. Matrix
magazine even fashioned a logo after one of my Wiggins stories … this
Rastaman-lion. A true absurdity. It’s no longer the nineties but
I still find myself pretty marginalized, I think, for writing about
what I do in the way I do. It’s clear to me that Canadian literature
and publishing is governed (literally governed) by agendas, and
that everyone is so horny for the grant money that they all play it
safe. But you know, I don’t fucking care. I’m not competing with
anyone. I’ll just write what I write and if people will publish it
then I’ll continue. If they don’t, I’ll still continue. I just
read Cormac McCarthy’s No Country For Old Men and I LOVED
it precisely because it is so refreshingly hard and funny and
horrible and masculine. As for the state of male writers in Canada, you
know, for a nation of hockey players and hosers, we have, for the
most part, a bunch of tone-deaf earnest pencil-necked eunuchs
representing us, and that’s pathetic.
MF: There’s great variety among
the stories in Black Rabbit. Is this something you were conscious
of, of mixing it up, keeping the reader on his/her toes?
SD: I never want to be labelled as this
or that kind of writer. Whatever story I’m executing, I try to be true
to the demands and realities of that story. I don’t write from a
template. My influences are wide and varied. That being said,
I’d like to think that only I can write my stories in exactly the way
I write them, that I won’t be confused with anyone else. Maybe they
don’t hang together well as "linked" stories, but I really
believe a short story is an autonomous work of art and if it shares
connections with other stories that’s fine, but if not that’s fine
too. And yes, maybe that forces readers to slow down some. If they do
with my work, I think they’ll be pleasantly and unpleasantly
surprised, which as a reader I like very much myself. I hate
predictable fiction.
MF: Are you wary of being cast as a
writer of a certain type of fiction, of so-called gritty/urban stuff?
SD: Ah, I don’t give a shit, Matt. I’m
on the margins and will remain there but the minute I get labelled as
this or that I’ll be writing something else that flies in the face of
it.
MF: Why do you pay such close
attention to single sentences and lines of prose in your fiction?
SD: Well, I started as a poet and
my prose style evolved from that and I know that at times it makes
my stories somewhat dense but I write one line at a time and try
to coil each sentence with maximum power. I’m a real student
of Beckett, Kafka, Hemingway, and Isaac Babel, guys who write fantastic,
often compressed, sentences. Maybe that style is less effective for
longer narratives, but I pretty much write everything with the same
intensity and aim for compression.
MF: This is a shitty question –
because comparisons are a pain in the ass – but where does this
collection stand in relation to the general scope of Canadian writing?
SD: I’m proud of the collection.
Brian Kaufman at Anvil Press did a fine job, and I wish readers would
grab it. But I don’t know how Black Rabbit, or I, fit into
the Canadian literary landscape. Hardly at all, I imagine. I live
in a nation where the game is rigged. My book has already been
dismissed by some reviewers as too this or that – one clown from
Edmonton said the stories sounded like the products of an
obese, bullshitting warehouse worker (as if even he
deserves to have his humanity denigrated, eh) – and the
violence, well then there’s the VIOLENCE. Like we live in a pacific
friendly egalitarian world where horrors don’t abound. Just the
other morning on a quiet residential Toronto street still bearing
Christmas and New Years banners and decorations, they found a fourteen
year old girl, the daughter of TWO police officers, stabbed to fucking
death. So the violence and the way I portray it makes it different from
other Canadian work … You know, I’ve lived a varied existence
and put myself in extreme situations to get to some truth, or
truths, and I’ve put my heart and soul into those stories
and tried to make them cool and funny and terrible and
interesting and if readers want slightly spicier
fare than the bland pap they’ve been force-fed they’re very
warmly welcomed, if not what can I do about it? |